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	<title>Comments on: Challa-lujah!</title>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2009/01/05/challa-lujah/#comment-9726</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 03:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a great recipe.  We pretty much make the same thing!  Two quick comments.  First off, the use of sesame seeds (or poppy) is a traditional topping for Challah as it symbolizes the mannah that fell when the Israelites wandered in the dessert for 40 years.  The Challah itself also represents the Mannah as we use two challot (plural of Challah) each sabbath and holiday meal symbolizing the double portion of mannah they collected before the sabbath.

Finally, its great others commented on the Jewish topics you have here.  Everyone should just understand that there are many different Jewish traditions and even different ways people observe the kosher laws.

&lt;strong&gt;Thanks, Phil, for your encouragement. I'm glad to hear there's no black-and-white "right/wrong" about traditional Jewish food, but instead, potentially many paths to the same destination... PJH&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a great recipe.  We pretty much make the same thing!  Two quick comments.  First off, the use of sesame seeds (or poppy) is a traditional topping for Challah as it symbolizes the mannah that fell when the Israelites wandered in the dessert for 40 years.  The Challah itself also represents the Mannah as we use two challot (plural of Challah) each sabbath and holiday meal symbolizing the double portion of mannah they collected before the sabbath.</p>
<p>Finally, its great others commented on the Jewish topics you have here.  Everyone should just understand that there are many different Jewish traditions and even different ways people observe the kosher laws.</p>
<p><strong>Thanks, Phil, for your encouragement. I&#8217;m glad to hear there&#8217;s no black-and-white &#8220;right/wrong&#8221; about traditional Jewish food, but instead, potentially many paths to the same destination&#8230; PJH</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Library Lady</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2009/01/05/challa-lujah/#comment-9658</link>
		<dc:creator>Library Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2009/01/05/challa-lujah/#comment-9658</guid>
		<description>For the lady who wants an excellent Hawaiian bread recipe (very similar to King's Hawaiian) go to Baking Bites, an excellent baking blog.
Recipe is at http://bakingbites.com/2006/02/cooking-school-hawaiian-sweet-bread/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the lady who wants an excellent Hawaiian bread recipe (very similar to King&#8217;s Hawaiian) go to Baking Bites, an excellent baking blog.<br />
Recipe is at <a href="http://bakingbites.com/2006/02/cooking-school-hawaiian-sweet-bread/" rel="nofollow">http://bakingbites.com/2006/02/cooking-school-hawaiian-sweet-bread/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2009/01/05/challa-lujah/#comment-9594</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2009/01/05/challa-lujah/#comment-9594</guid>
		<description>Felice, I am so glad you clarified. I was just thinking about my response but you have done all the work for me, and accurately so.  I'd just like to add a couple of thoughts. The issue with the confectioners sugar has to do with the additon of cornstarch. However, depending whether one is of Ashkenazic or Spehardic lineage, it may be a non-issue as corn, for some can be included, especially Jews who are live in or emigrated from countries where maize in a mainstay in the diet. A friend of mine follows the strictest of rules during Pesach, including nothing with corn syrup (e.g. sodas), as well as no extracts that contain alcohol. The reason for alcohol-free extracts originates with questionability of the grain from which the alcohol is derived. Any one of the main prohibited grains during Passover would be excluded as it is not considered "Pesedich"; otherwise if one had knowledge of the origin of the alcohol grain, it would likely then be subject to the traditions of their lineage. Not to complicate this further...

That said, there previously was a fabulous bakery in Dallas that used KAF for their challah. I didn't bother making my own because their challah was so spectacular that it was worth buying and using it not only for Shabbat but also for recipes calling for stale bread. After countless years in business, they closed up shop to the retail sector. I was devastated because I used their, and only their, challah for the Cinnamon Bread Pudding on p. 292 of KA's 200th Anniversary cookbook - I even noted it in my cookbook so when it is eventually passed on to my heirs that they would know exactly what made it extra special. You can bet I am excited to try this recipe in hopes that is comes closer to their challah recipe than anything I've been able to replicate.
&lt;strong&gt;Andrea, we hope the recipe is everything you are hoping for. Thanks for mentioning about writing the specifics of what makes your recipe 'special' for your future generations. Sadly, we hear everyday from folks looking for a special recipe or ingredient that Mom or Gramma used to use but never shared, so they are left searching for a piece of their heritage. PLEASE folks, share those secrets now with your loved ones so they are not lost! ~MaryJane&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Felice, I am so glad you clarified. I was just thinking about my response but you have done all the work for me, and accurately so.  I&#8217;d just like to add a couple of thoughts. The issue with the confectioners sugar has to do with the additon of cornstarch. However, depending whether one is of Ashkenazic or Spehardic lineage, it may be a non-issue as corn, for some can be included, especially Jews who are live in or emigrated from countries where maize in a mainstay in the diet. A friend of mine follows the strictest of rules during Pesach, including nothing with corn syrup (e.g. sodas), as well as no extracts that contain alcohol. The reason for alcohol-free extracts originates with questionability of the grain from which the alcohol is derived. Any one of the main prohibited grains during Passover would be excluded as it is not considered &#8220;Pesedich&#8221;; otherwise if one had knowledge of the origin of the alcohol grain, it would likely then be subject to the traditions of their lineage. Not to complicate this further&#8230;</p>
<p>That said, there previously was a fabulous bakery in Dallas that used KAF for their challah. I didn&#8217;t bother making my own because their challah was so spectacular that it was worth buying and using it not only for Shabbat but also for recipes calling for stale bread. After countless years in business, they closed up shop to the retail sector. I was devastated because I used their, and only their, challah for the Cinnamon Bread Pudding on p. 292 of KA&#8217;s 200th Anniversary cookbook - I even noted it in my cookbook so when it is eventually passed on to my heirs that they would know exactly what made it extra special. You can bet I am excited to try this recipe in hopes that is comes closer to their challah recipe than anything I&#8217;ve been able to replicate.<br />
<strong>Andrea, we hope the recipe is everything you are hoping for. Thanks for mentioning about writing the specifics of what makes your recipe &#8217;special&#8217; for your future generations. Sadly, we hear everyday from folks looking for a special recipe or ingredient that Mom or Gramma used to use but never shared, so they are left searching for a piece of their heritage. PLEASE folks, share those secrets now with your loved ones so they are not lost! ~MaryJane</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Felice</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2009/01/05/challa-lujah/#comment-9476</link>
		<dc:creator>Felice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2009/01/05/challa-lujah/#comment-9476</guid>
		<description>I'm a little late coming to the party, but chocolate chips DO NOT have to be parve to be kosher.  "Parve" means the food product is neutral - neither meat nor dairy - and hence may be served with either.  Chips can, and frequently are kosher dairy.  Symbols on the package might include OUD or KD or even KDE, signifiying that the product contains no dairy but was made on machinery that previously ran dairy items.  Those chips are entirely kosher but can only be eaten with a dairy meal.

Also, the avoidance of walnuts on Rosh Hashanah is an Ashkenazi tradition.  And the "bad thing" that the Hebrew word for walnuts adds up to is "sin."  We try to avoid the reminder of sin at a season of repentance.

To further muddy things up, some Jews, but by no means all, not even a majority, hold to the "non-gebrokhts" standard during Passover.  That means that they will not use matzah products in any was that will cause them to come into contact with liquid.  That obviously includes baking.  The vast majority of Jews, both fully observant and less so, will use matzah meal and matzah cake meal during Passover.  There are even Passover certified baking powder, baking soda, and vanilla more or less widely available.

Sorry for the digressive explosion of information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little late coming to the party, but chocolate chips DO NOT have to be parve to be kosher.  &#8220;Parve&#8221; means the food product is neutral - neither meat nor dairy - and hence may be served with either.  Chips can, and frequently are kosher dairy.  Symbols on the package might include OUD or KD or even KDE, signifiying that the product contains no dairy but was made on machinery that previously ran dairy items.  Those chips are entirely kosher but can only be eaten with a dairy meal.</p>
<p>Also, the avoidance of walnuts on Rosh Hashanah is an Ashkenazi tradition.  And the &#8220;bad thing&#8221; that the Hebrew word for walnuts adds up to is &#8220;sin.&#8221;  We try to avoid the reminder of sin at a season of repentance.</p>
<p>To further muddy things up, some Jews, but by no means all, not even a majority, hold to the &#8220;non-gebrokhts&#8221; standard during Passover.  That means that they will not use matzah products in any was that will cause them to come into contact with liquid.  That obviously includes baking.  The vast majority of Jews, both fully observant and less so, will use matzah meal and matzah cake meal during Passover.  There are even Passover certified baking powder, baking soda, and vanilla more or less widely available.</p>
<p>Sorry for the digressive explosion of information.</p>
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		<title>By: Janice</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2009/01/05/challa-lujah/#comment-9456</link>
		<dc:creator>Janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 05:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2009/01/05/challa-lujah/#comment-9456</guid>
		<description>Been making challah for shabbat for years.  Yours is almost perfect, but one thing, you need to let it proof longer.  Challah should be almost fully proofed before you put it in the oven.  You don't want any oven bloom to ruin your braids.  The perfect challah (which admittedly after years, I still only get about 60% of the time) has no oven bloom at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been making challah for shabbat for years.  Yours is almost perfect, but one thing, you need to let it proof longer.  Challah should be almost fully proofed before you put it in the oven.  You don&#8217;t want any oven bloom to ruin your braids.  The perfect challah (which admittedly after years, I still only get about 60% of the time) has no oven bloom at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Renae W.</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2009/01/05/challa-lujah/#comment-9424</link>
		<dc:creator>Renae W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2009/01/05/challa-lujah/#comment-9424</guid>
		<description>Hi! I love, love, love your blog. I am one of those who would enjoy working in the test kitchen. I am having one bread baking issue, however. I have made challah twice now and the English muffin toasting bread is in the oven now-neither of the doughs rose as much as they should have. I used the instant yeast and did everything else to the letter. I am getting so frustrated! I live in upstate SC, so there should be no elevation issues. HELP!!! I haven't cooked much with yeast and I have no family or friends who bake so there is no one here to ask what I'm doing wrong. Any insights you may have would be greatly appreciated!

&lt;strong&gt;When doughs are low rising, it can indicate the dough needs a little bit more liquid.  Next time try adding 1-2 more tablespoons of liquid to the dough.  The bakers are always here to help.  Please call us if you need  assistance, 800-827-6836.  Frank from KAF.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! I love, love, love your blog. I am one of those who would enjoy working in the test kitchen. I am having one bread baking issue, however. I have made challah twice now and the English muffin toasting bread is in the oven now-neither of the doughs rose as much as they should have. I used the instant yeast and did everything else to the letter. I am getting so frustrated! I live in upstate SC, so there should be no elevation issues. HELP!!! I haven&#8217;t cooked much with yeast and I have no family or friends who bake so there is no one here to ask what I&#8217;m doing wrong. Any insights you may have would be greatly appreciated!</p>
<p><strong>When doughs are low rising, it can indicate the dough needs a little bit more liquid.  Next time try adding 1-2 more tablespoons of liquid to the dough.  The bakers are always here to help.  Please call us if you need  assistance, 800-827-6836.  Frank from KAF.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Deanna</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2009/01/05/challa-lujah/#comment-9342</link>
		<dc:creator>Deanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2009/01/05/challa-lujah/#comment-9342</guid>
		<description>I have an easier four braid: pinch 4 strands together. Take the right hand one and go over, under, over. Repeat! Pinch the other ends together. I also have a great and EASY 6 braid if anyone is interested.
&lt;strong&gt;Thanks for sharing Deanna. Sounds like something I will have to try soon. ~ MaryJane&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an easier four braid: pinch 4 strands together. Take the right hand one and go over, under, over. Repeat! Pinch the other ends together. I also have a great and EASY 6 braid if anyone is interested.<br />
<strong>Thanks for sharing Deanna. Sounds like something I will have to try soon. ~ MaryJane</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Mike T.</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2009/01/05/challa-lujah/#comment-9184</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2009/01/05/challa-lujah/#comment-9184</guid>
		<description>Thanks Frank.  My other concern, besides the 30% difference, was that on the Pain de Mei blog page, they said to decrease the amount of flour if I made it in an open loaf pan, so I figure that I should increase it if I put it into this pan.  I'm assuming that because it is covered, you need more flour for the trapped moisture.  So, beside doing an overall 30% increase, do I have to add more flour to take into account the increased moisture? Thanks again!

&lt;strong&gt;Please give us a call on the hotline, 800-827-6836, for specifics.  Frank from KAF.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Frank.  My other concern, besides the 30% difference, was that on the Pain de Mei blog page, they said to decrease the amount of flour if I made it in an open loaf pan, so I figure that I should increase it if I put it into this pan.  I&#8217;m assuming that because it is covered, you need more flour for the trapped moisture.  So, beside doing an overall 30% increase, do I have to add more flour to take into account the increased moisture? Thanks again!</p>
<p><strong>Please give us a call on the hotline, 800-827-6836, for specifics.  Frank from KAF.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Mike T.</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2009/01/05/challa-lujah/#comment-9172</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2009/01/05/challa-lujah/#comment-9172</guid>
		<description>Okay, got a question...  My family gets together for each of our birthdays, and I just had mine a week ago.  I'm currently on a diet so I've postponed the get together until mid-Feb.  We usually do dinner, but I want a brunch.  I just bought the Pain de Mie and would like to make the Challah recipe in it for french toast.  How should I adjust it for that pan?  

From the question that I posted about a normal loaf pan on the Pain de Mie blog entry, it looks like I should increase the flour.  Any idea by how much?  Also, will the recipe be enough, or should I make 1.5x or 2x?  Thanks!

&lt;strong&gt;The pain de mie recipe yields a 2.5# batch of dough, the challah yields a batch at 1.75#.  You will need to increase all of the challah ingreients except the yeast by 30% to equalize the dough weight.  Frank From KAF.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, got a question&#8230;  My family gets together for each of our birthdays, and I just had mine a week ago.  I&#8217;m currently on a diet so I&#8217;ve postponed the get together until mid-Feb.  We usually do dinner, but I want a brunch.  I just bought the Pain de Mie and would like to make the Challah recipe in it for french toast.  How should I adjust it for that pan?  </p>
<p>From the question that I posted about a normal loaf pan on the Pain de Mie blog entry, it looks like I should increase the flour.  Any idea by how much?  Also, will the recipe be enough, or should I make 1.5x or 2x?  Thanks!</p>
<p><strong>The pain de mie recipe yields a 2.5# batch of dough, the challah yields a batch at 1.75#.  You will need to increase all of the challah ingreients except the yeast by 30% to equalize the dough weight.  Frank From KAF.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Char in Michigan</title>
		<link>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2009/01/05/challa-lujah/#comment-9030</link>
		<dc:creator>Char in Michigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.kingarthurflour.com/2009/01/05/challa-lujah/#comment-9030</guid>
		<description>Loved the Challa!  I made it for dinner with the neighbors yesterday, and it was a big hit.  I must admit to a mistake, however.  When it was time to knead it, I sprinkled flour onto my silicone mat, instead of oiling the mat.  Well, that made for an ugly loaf, but it didn't hurt the flavor one bit.  It wasn't until after the fact that I took time to read that part of the instructions.  Oh, well.  That just means I'll have to do it again, real soon.  We had the pleasure of toasting it this morning.  This bread is similar to Houska, the bread my Czechoslovokian Mom and Grandma made, except for the fruits and nuts.  Thanks so much!
&lt;strong&gt;Hi Char, 
Just goes to prove that true (baking) beauty is only skin deep. Glad to hear your ugly duckling loaf was a swan in term of taste. Happy Baking! ~ MaryJane&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved the Challa!  I made it for dinner with the neighbors yesterday, and it was a big hit.  I must admit to a mistake, however.  When it was time to knead it, I sprinkled flour onto my silicone mat, instead of oiling the mat.  Well, that made for an ugly loaf, but it didn&#8217;t hurt the flavor one bit.  It wasn&#8217;t until after the fact that I took time to read that part of the instructions.  Oh, well.  That just means I&#8217;ll have to do it again, real soon.  We had the pleasure of toasting it this morning.  This bread is similar to Houska, the bread my Czechoslovokian Mom and Grandma made, except for the fruits and nuts.  Thanks so much!<br />
<strong>Hi Char,<br />
Just goes to prove that true (baking) beauty is only skin deep. Glad to hear your ugly duckling loaf was a swan in term of taste. Happy Baking! ~ MaryJane</strong></p>
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