An “ah-ha!” moment: the simple tip that'll change your pie-crust prep forever.

The other day I experienced one of those “Oh DUH” moments that got me so excited, I could hardly wait to share it with you here.

Now, before you get all worked up, I have to warn you: this may very well be something you figured out years ago, and have been automatically applying to your baking ever since. If this is the case – bear with me, and with the rest of us who weren’t bright enough to discover it earlier.

Without further ado, today’s earth-shattering baking news is…

When you’re dividing your pastry for a double-crust pie, the bottom crust should be a significantly larger chunk than the top crust.

How many times have you read a pie recipe that says, “Divide the crust in half,” before shaping each piece into a disk?


Why look, there’s one now!

Yet, when you think about it, the bottom crust should be a lot larger than the top crust. After all, the top crust only needs to cover the surface of the filling. But the bottom crust needs to hold all the filling, with enough left over to bring it up and over the top crust, to make a good seal.

Remember high school geometry, and how you sat there bored out of your skin wondering when you’d EVER have to use all that stuff in real life?

Well, now’s the time.


But if you’ve forgotten all that “pi-r(adius)-squared” stuff, don’t worry; I remember it, and I’ve done the math for you.

Yeah, I rounded up and down a tiny bit, but here’s the bottom line: to make pie crust that’s equal thickness, top and bottom, your pastry should be divided not in half, but in thirds. Two thirds will be the bottom crust; one third, the top crust.

Looked at another way, the bottom crust should be twice as large, mass/weight-wise, as the top crust.

This is easy, if you have a scale; simply weigh your pastry, and scoop out 1/3; that’ll be your top crust, the rest will be the bottom.

If you don’t have a scale, divide your pastry into three parts; one will be the top crust, the other two, squashed together before rolling, will be the bottom crust.


So, this has all been theory, up until now. Let’s put the formula into action, and see what happens.


I’ll start with the larger bottom crust. My goal is to roll it 13″ wide – same as in the past, when I was dividing the pastry in half.

Back then, I’d roll my crust half and, in an attempt to make it 13″ wide, it would become thinner and thinner – and its edges more and more ragged.

This time, the crust rolled out very easily – with only one little ragged patch, which you can see up near the top there. The rolled crust was thick enough to handle without mishap, and settled into my 9″ pie pan nicely, without stretching.

Which is important – stretching a pie crust to fit is the best way to ensure it’ll shrink as it bakes. Which is why, when you’re “blind baking” a crust (baking it fully before adding a cooked filling), you’ll sometimes find the crust puddled in the bottom of your pie pan. Not a pretty picture.

So, with the crust’s copious overhang, it didn’t have any trouble at all holding a nice big mound of apple filling.

Next: the top crust.


I rolled it into a 9″ round, as planned. Plopped it atop the apples. Brought the overhanging bottom crust up and over the top crust, and pinched the two together, then made a nice crimp.

One caveat here: if you’re making a “mile-high” pie, with copious amounts of filling, you’ll want to roll the top crust a bit wider than 9″.

How much wider? Hey, I can’t remember geometry covering arcs (though I do have unhappy flashbacks to trigonometry and parabolas). Let’s just say “a bit wider.”

Next step: put it into the oven.

An hour later –


My oh my, it’s apple pie! And a darned good one, too, its top and bottom crusts equal thickness – no thick, doughy top crust, nor skimpy bottom crust.

Thank you, Mr. MacLeod at Central Junior High in Hingham, MA for the lesson in “pi” that’s lasted me a lifetime!

Want to bake this pie? I used my favorite pie crust recipe, Classic Double Pie Crust, and the filling from our guaranteed Apple Pie recipe.

PJ Hamel

PJ Hamel grew up in New England, graduated from Brown University, and was a Maine journalist before joining King Arthur Flour in 1990. PJ bakes and writes from her home on Cape Cod, where she enjoys beach-walking, her husband, two dogs, and really good food!


  1. Carol

    PJ….I am sure there were lots of “duh” type comments when people read this! Add me to the list. When we start baking and taking it seriously, we all have to thank our math teachers! Thank you for making our “pi” lives easier…..can you work on the “non-pi” parts next?

  2. Catherine

    I appreciate how to divide the dough. I have been dividing it in half and bottom always too thin, butter beat up the dough.
    I weigh everything and that is the best way since weight never changes.
    I am determined to continue to work at making the perfect pie crust for my pies.
    Question: When you say scoop out 2/3 thirds do you mean before you add liquids or eye it after the liquids?
    Thank you for your help.

    1. Susan Reid

      Hi, Catherine. 2/3 of the finished dough; basically, when you’re dividing it to wrap and chill before rolling it out, make one disk bigger than the other. Susan

  3. Patricia

    If I’m folding the top over the bottom, then the 50/50 (or there about) is a better ratio for me. It makes the bottom a tad smaller and the top a tad larger. If I’m folding the bottom up over the top, as this suggests, then I use closer to the 2/3, 1/3 ratio. To be honest, I usually don’t worry how I split the dough. If weighs out nearly half, I fold the top over. If the 2 pieces are different weights by more than a little, I’ll switch to folding the bottom up. All yummy in the end!

  4. Marliss

    I remembered this blog, and the excited discussion it created on the Baking Circle, when I set out to make pie crust today. I was pleased that I remembered to divide it into 1/3 and 2/3 (weighed it). I’d always divided it, but probably more like 60/40. By the way, the Buttermilk Pie Crust in the 200th Anniversary cookbook is wonderful–especially if you use whole wheat pastry flour rather than regular flour.

  5. Lynda Bell

    Pie crust scraps? (or make extra) roll out, sprinkle with cinnamon sugar, roll up and slice like little cinnamon buns, bake and viola! pie pastry cinnamon swirls! 🙂 Yum!

  6. Bonnie

    Thanks for the Math lesson! (My husband is a mathematician and always bemoans the fact that more people don’t embrace Math.!) I’m known for my pies, but I never deviated from dividing the dough in halves. Your “discovery” makes SO much sense! Duh! :o) I can’t wait to make my Thanksgiving pies! We’re never to old to learn! :o)

  7. EL

    Thank you. Would you believe I’ve always done this. I think my mother did it this way as well (I probably learned from her). I believe that some of the older cookbooks (such as the older editions of Joy of Cooking) state that you should use 1/3 for the top crust and 2/3 for the bottom. But I still like having the extra for pie-cookies!


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